Well, my friends, then read away...
I count no less than
SEVENTEEN separate instances when the Times Union editors praised Gen. Shinseki for his "loose lips" regarding troop levels in Iraq from 2003 to 2008. Reading them all together is funny in its own right, because inevitably they're editorials critiquing the handling of the Iraq war...over and over again the editors say how 'they were right' and 'time has proven Shinseki correct' and 'Bush's plans weren't going to work'...meanwhile, of course, they were wrong all along and Bush's plans, of course, led to the relative stability we see there now, a series of peaceful democratic elections, terrorist acts being treated as news instead of routine occurrences, and, of course, the agreement that was forged during Bush's later months in office for our withdrawal...the one that Obama and Biden, fierce opponents of the military strategies that allowed us to reach that point, are now claiming victory for.
Anyway...Get the paddle out for the Times Union editorial writers who previously wrote:
Sunday, March 9, 2003:
Army Gen. Eric Shinseki recently had what must now count as temerity to suggest that several hundred thousand U.S. troops would be needed in postwar Iraq.Friday, May 30, 2003:
To the contrary, the Army chief of staff, Gen. Eric Shinseki, predicted last February that hundreds of thousands of U.S. troops would be required to help in the reconstruction of Iraq and its transition to a democratic government. But he was sharply criticized by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and his top deputy, Paul Wolfowitz, for overstating the case. Time has proven the general correct, and his critics shortsighted.Yeah...maybe it was the ones judging things after a brief time that are "shortsighted" instead of letting time pass.
Tuesday, November 4, 2003:
Mr. Rumsfeld's position on troop strength is no different today than last March, when Gen. Eric Shinseki, then a member of the Joint Chiefs, warned that an occupation force of several hundred thousand troops would be needed in post-war Iraq. But the general was shunned by Mr. Rumsfeld back then, and faded into retirement. Now, some eight months later, he appears to have been right when it mattered.Wednesday, December 31, 2003:
Because those critics included some high-ranking military officers, including no less than Gen. Eric Shinseki, then a member of the Joint Chiefs, their views took on immediate credibility.Like this one? Because of his rank his criticism "took on immediate credibility". Keep that in mind.
Thursday, April 15, 2004:
Mr. Bush should have listened to Gen. Eric Shinseki, who warned more than a year ago that an occupation force of several hundred thousand troops would be needed in post-war Iraq. The general paid a big price for his candor. He was shunned by Mr. Rumsfeld and nudged into retirement. Though the actual number he called for might not be correct, his prediction that more troops were needed is coming true with deadly accuracy.Friday, December 3, 2004:
And it was Gen. Eric Shinseki, then a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who invoked the Powell doctrine in March 2003 to warn that several hundred thousand troops would be needed to stabilize post-war Iraq. But Mr. Rumsfeld and Mr. Bush didn't want to hear that then, and the general was pushed into retirement.Wednesday, July 6, 2005:
And it may explain why Gen. Eric Shinseki, a former member of the Joint Chiefs, was quickly ushered into retirement for publicly stating that at least 300,000 troops would be needed to stabilize post-war Iraq.Tuesday, August 23, 2005:
Gen. Shinseki, though right, was quickly pushed into retirement. And Gen. Schoomaker may well follow him for telling the harsh truth about winning the peace.Tuesday, April 18, 2006:
Shortly thereafter, Gen. Shinseki was ushered into retirement, and many believe it was because he had publicly disputed the claims by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld that 135,000 U.S. troops was the "right" number for stabilizing Iraq...
Gen. Shinseki's words can't be spun. They speak for themselves. He told Congress and the nation what the Pentagon didn't want to hear. But time has proven him correct...
His retirement was widely viewed by Pentagon critics as yet another sign that Mr. Rumsfeld would not tolerate dissent...
History has shown who was really off the mark, and it wasn't Gen. Shinseki. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! BZZZZZT! Wrong!
Friday, November 17, 2006:
It was Gen. Shinseki, then Army chief of staff, who told Congress in 2003 that a force of several hundred thousand troops would be needed to stabilize Iraq. For that, he was hotly criticized by then Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who insisted that fewer forces would be more than adequate for the mission. A few months later, Gen. Shinseki was ushered into retirement...
...So why didn't some of those commanders call for more troops at the first signs that Iraqi society was beginning to unravel - in 2003, for example, when there was widespread looting? Was it because they were intimidated by what happened to Gen. Shinseki?Tuesday, January 9, 2007:
Back then, only one top U.S. military commander, Gen. Eric Shinseki, had the courage to publicly state that the United States would need several hundred thousand troops to stabilize Iraq, not the 100,000 that former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had insisted were adequate to the task. The general was rushed into retirement, but time has proven him right.Thursday, January 11, 2007:
Gen. Eric Shinseki, former Army chief of staff, estimated in 2003 that it would take several hundred thousand American troops to occupy Iraq after Saddam Hussein was overthrown. Time has proven him right.Thursday, February 22, 2007:
If only Mr. Bush had heeded Gen. Eric Shinseki's warning before the 2003 invasion - namely, that several hundred thousand U.S. troops would be needed to stabilize Iraq. Then he might have had a chance to prevent the insurgency that has since taken hold. But not now. The 140,000 U.S. troops in Iraq are too small in number to pacify the country, and adding another 21,000 at this point is simply too little too late. The sooner Mr. Bush recognizes that, the sooner he will realize, as his critics have realized, that escalation is not the answer.HAHAHAHAH! Except that it was EXACTLY the RIGHT answer. I can't help myself...
history has proven them wrong.. Heh! Here's a clue, bozos, don't start claiming history is on your side when you're in the MIDDLE, instead of when it actually IS history.
Tuesday, March 27, 2007:
To the contrary, before the war began no less a military expert than Gen. Eric Shinseki, who was then Army chief of staff, told Congress that the United States would need several hundred thousand troops to stabilize Iraq. He was rebuked and marginalized by the Bush administration for his frank advice...Now they've amped up their praise to "no less a military expert" giving frank advice. Do you know where this is going?
Wednesday, October 17, 2007:
In a television interview Sunday, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said the generals who come before Congress to discuss Iraq are less than candid because they fear reprisal from the White House. These generals remember that Gen. Eric Shinseki was "fired" for telling Congress that it would take several hundred thousand troops to stabilize Iraq, Sen. McCain said. Thus, Congress and the American public are denied a truthful picture of Iraq, even as President Bush insists that the generals, not the critics or politicians, should run the war...
THE STAKES: Keeping silent while on active duty only makes matters worse.Monday, May 26, 2008: Here they just are so enamored of their mistaken statements from 2003 that they reprint them again.
Monday, December 15, 2008:
It was General Shinseki, then the Army chief of staff, who so presciently warned on the eve of the Iraq war that a much larger invading force than what the Pentagon had planned would be necessary...
For that, for fulfilling his duty and telling the truth, General Shinseki was effectively forced into retirement by then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld...
"We will be greeted as liberator,'' Vice President Dick Cheney said in his own language of delusion...
Mr. Obama had this to say in a TV interview about General Shinseki's defection from the conventional thinking at the outset of the Iraq war:
"He was right."As usual, Obama, and Shinseki...were wrong...not right. And by the end of 2008 they should know this. Oh, and that slam against Cheney has been debunked over and over again, we were very emphatically greeted as liberators by "the Iraqis", just not by the terrorists, their foreign fighter friends, or the media.
Sooooooo...where does that bring us?
Thursday, June 24, 2010:
THE GENERAL'S LOOSE LIPS
The issue:
The President replaces the Afghanistan war commander after ill-considered remarks.
The Stakes:
A struggling war effort doesn't need open dissension in the top ranks.AHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!! You mean by like the Joint Chiefs and their immediate credibility?
...One that General McChrystal may well want to write -- in a retirement that is well-deserved in, unfortunately, too many ways.
President Obama was right to relieve General McChrystal of his command of U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan and put Gen. David Petraeus in charge. The choice of General Petraeus, who led the effort that turned the Iraq war around, could do much to repair the damage done in recent days.They might want to go back and read their own editorials slamming Petraeus' strategy that "turned the Iraq war around" when they were claiming that "history" had shown it was wrong. I guess being a liberal hypocrite means never having to say you were wrong.
Any disruption this shake-up causes in the short term pales beside what General McChrystal brought about in exercising exceedingly poor judgment in the comments he made...
...It fundamentally challenged the President's constitutional role as commander in chief...
Their actions sent messages in all sorts of unfortunate directions. They signaled to troops called on to fight this war that there is dissension and disrespect among their leaders. They signaled to a thinning alliance of other nations that the U.S. leadership is frayed and conflicted. They signaled internal discord to the enemy. And they signaled to the American public, weary of what is now the longest war in our history and uncertain if the sacrifice is worth it, that those leading the war are hardly unified on the strategy and chance for success.Well, now...don't they feel foolish. Of course they don't. Their hypocrisy knows no bounds...nor does Obama's for praising Shinseki for something he just "fired" McChrystal for.
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Of the difference in all of this is that Bush, instead of listening to Shinseki, listened to other, more on-target military leaders. Obama's just listening to Saul Alinsky, Lenin, and Mussolini.
Gee, I guess it
is all about who's in the White House, isn't it? ;) BUSTED!!!
Damn, it doesn't get any easier than this, does it?